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Global Warming. An End Of The World Event!

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Global Warming. An End Of The World Event!

Post by Keith » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:42 am



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Re: Global Warming. An End Of The World Event!

Post by notasyoung » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:19 pm

Somewhere, someone, is ALWAYS having a personal TEOTWAWKI event... We always want to be able to say 'someone else' caused it. There are extreme predictions for global warming, there are also more likely outcome predictions... some seem o like the extreme, which is designed to scare the pants of people, because they reason that this will drive change. Some treat this as a religion. many of those are just as illogical in their beliefs and actions, as the more extreme of the religious. Riding a diesel fueled bus, from a home powered by electricity, in clothing made with coal fired power, who install solar panels and batteries (produced overseas in coal fired plants, transported around the world in ships that burn raw oil, then unloaded by diesel powered cranes and gantries, transported by diesel powered trucks, controlled from coal fired power company offices)... they virtue signal, but ignore reality.
Some would have us believe all our major centres will be under water in a hundred years, yet the current observed rises, and probably projections, are measured in millimeters, and are within normal variations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVAwp1x1hw .
For the Pacific Islands we IGNORE the doubling of populations on some islands since 1950, and blame lack of space on 'rising' water, YET the rise is measured in millimetres.
I listened to people in South Australia raving on about the fact they had no coal fired power stations in South Australia (which is true), and that they have the Tesla battery (which is true), EXCEPT they buy power from Victoria, NSW and Queensland which all use COAL, and the Tesla battery can run the place for minutes. It is there to respond to short term ramp up requirements (which it does well).
So, it may be the end of one world, and the start of another, but not for the reasons many predict... it may signal a change in society, that virtue signalling has become more important than real change. It may be that the real cost of renewables, and the exclusion of the "developing countries" from the requirement to NOT increase CO2 emissions, will result in a huge wealth transfer. The virtue signalling of countries has also led to instability, as well as propaganda... China stating its closing coal mines.... whilst ramping up the number of coal powered power stations and increasing its CO 2 emissions. France, and Macron, increasing taxes on the poor and middle class to 'force' them to use less diesel (leading to riots from the people of that country with the highest Government cost to GDP ratio). The rise of Fascism (which is actually a left wing event, not a right, because it basically involves totalitarian, authoritarian, control of the population, for the benefit of the 'State'), and ultra nationalism, whilst at the same time seeing the rise of the PC posturing people, empowered by social media.
The ignorance of the fact that Australia's TOTAL emissions were less than half of the total INCREASE in world emissions recorded in 2018 (indicating how small a player we are), we don't even make a dent on the chart.
The fact that the big increases were china and emerging countries, who got a free pass...
We have the corruption and incompetence of politicians, who no longer lead, but follow polls.
We have the underlying influence of big players, corrupting our system.
We have the new technologies, and social media, Government spying, and moves towards more totalitarian controls within Australia and the world, always for our own good, and to 'protect' us.
We have the ever towering world debt, and corrupted banking system, which brings systemic financial risk.
So the chances of a world changing event/s are huge... just it may not be what you imagine.



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Re: Global Warming. An End Of The World Event!

Post by Keith » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:50 am

notasyoung wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:19 pm
Somewhere, someone, is ALWAYS having a personal TEOTWAWKI event... We always want to be able to say 'someone else' caused it. There are extreme predictions for global warming, there are also more likely outcome predictions... some seem o like the extreme, which is designed to scare the pants of people, because they reason that this will drive change. Some treat this as a religion. many of those are just as illogical in their beliefs and actions, as the more extreme of the religious. Riding a diesel fueled bus, from a home powered by electricity, in clothing made with coal fired power, who install solar panels and batteries (produced overseas in coal fired plants, transported around the world in ships that burn raw oil, then unloaded by diesel powered cranes and gantries, transported by diesel powered trucks, controlled from coal fired power company offices)... they virtue signal, but ignore reality.
Some would have us believe all our major centres will be under water in a hundred years, yet the current observed rises, and probably projections, are measured in millimeters, and are within normal variations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUVAwp1x1hw .
For the Pacific Islands we IGNORE the doubling of populations on some islands since 1950, and blame lack of space on 'rising' water, YET the rise is measured in millimetres.
I listened to people in South Australia raving on about the fact they had no coal fired power stations in South Australia (which is true), and that they have the Tesla battery (which is true), EXCEPT they buy power from Victoria, NSW and Queensland which all use COAL, and the Tesla battery can run the place for minutes. It is there to respond to short term ramp up requirements (which it does well).
So, it may be the end of one world, and the start of another, but not for the reasons many predict... it may signal a change in society, that virtue signalling has become more important than real change. It may be that the real cost of renewables, and the exclusion of the "developing countries" from the requirement to NOT increase CO2 emissions, will result in a huge wealth transfer. The virtue signalling of countries has also led to instability, as well as propaganda... China stating its closing coal mines.... whilst ramping up the number of coal powered power stations and increasing its CO 2 emissions. France, and Macron, increasing taxes on the poor and middle class to 'force' them to use less diesel (leading to riots from the people of that country with the highest Government cost to GDP ratio). The rise of Fascism (which is actually a left wing event, not a right, because it basically involves totalitarian, authoritarian, control of the population, for the benefit of the 'State'), and ultra nationalism, whilst at the same time seeing the rise of the PC posturing people, empowered by social media.
The ignorance of the fact that Australia's TOTAL emissions were less than half of the total INCREASE in world emissions recorded in 2018 (indicating how small a player we are), we don't even make a dent on the chart.
The fact that the big increases were china and emerging countries, who got a free pass...
We have the corruption and incompetence of politicians, who no longer lead, but follow polls.
We have the underlying influence of big players, corrupting our system.
We have the new technologies, and social media, Government spying, and moves towards more totalitarian controls within Australia and the world, always for our own good, and to 'protect' us.
We have the ever towering world debt, and corrupted banking system, which brings systemic financial risk.
So the chances of a world changing event/s are huge... just it may not be what you imagine.
The way I look at it is, that yes anything COULD happen, but Global Warming IS happening right now & in the future it will cause an End Of The World event. We have very little time to stem the tide, & this is only to stabilise, to try & hold it at its present level.
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Re: Global Warming. An End Of The World Event!

Post by notasyoung » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:02 pm

Then we need to reverse our adoration of 'growth', or should I say the adoration of politicians for growth, which drives a rising GDP, and a rising tax take, so they can buy elections. This is linked inexorably to the rising population of consumers. It took 200,000 years to get to a World population of 1.5 Billion, and 200 years to get to 7.6 Billion. We promoting how many people have been 'lifted' into middle class, which means MORE consumers, more CO2, MORE rubbish and pollution... . This is a lemming population growth. Someone commented to me the other day that since the birth of the Queen the Population has gone from 2 Billion to 7.6 Billion, IN HER LIFETIME. THAT is where the CO2 problem lies... but we WON'T talk about that.
Big countries insist that we exempt 'new' economies from the CO2 restrictions because that is where the BIG growth, that drives consumption, is; it is better for the economy.
China's CO2 production INCREASES by twice the total production of Australia LAST YEAR. You hear people sprouking about China closing their coal mines (which is true), BUT they are still building NEW coal fired stations, and want to use better quality coal (like ours). http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of ... s-century/
The surprising thing was USA emissions fell in 2017.
So, whilst many seek to see Australia destroy itself trying to save the world, without the developing nations and big emitters joining forces, we are stuffed. The nodding heads of the Green movement STILL fly places in CO2 churning jets, many still travel in gas guzzlers. We HAVEN'T yet found a way to go 'Green' that isn't paid for with coal/gas/oil energy to produce the products, ship the products, and install the products, be it solar, wind, or whatever. Australia REFUSES to acknowledge that Nuclear remains one of the few long term options, that is low emission (zero the way some count).



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