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What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Grumpy wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:39 am
My basic firearms are
.22lr bolt
.223r bolt
.308w bolt
and 12g single shot

As I plan to be mobile and in company all will be with me and mine.
Grumpy, do you have multiples of firearms in these calibres amongst you? Similar firearms (reliability, parts)? Have you considered firearms security when not in possession (London to a brick there will STILL be someone trying to enforce rules). All the 'what if's'? reloading, competency, fitness, etc. Going on history being mobile is tough, everyone wants you to 'move along'.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:11 pm

Keith wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:08 am
dazza1967 wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:52 pm
Thoughts on combination rifles??
I quite like the idea of a .223/12gauge combination.Should be able to take down anything in Aust from duck to buffalo.
Ya just wanna make the one shot is a winner.
My main concern if I have to carry on foot is the weight of the gun & the weight of the ammo. Just how much modern ammo can one carry & how long will it last? My gun is a rifle & a shotgun all in one.
Keith.
How long will we last? How many are affected? How many are mobile? What conditions drove people out? What forms of transport are available?

Moving on foot is the toughest call. The weight of a .22lr, .22M, .410 (or combination gun), plus some sealed up ammo gives you hundreds of rounds for little weight. For hunting you should only need one round for a meal for one or two (assuming carrying some food to start with). Meat alone is not sufficient. Need to know what else you can eat.

Keith may have the right choice if it goes on for a very long time... it is just hard to imagine, although I keep coming back to Venezuela, and how long the gradual and steepening slide has gone on there. The Middle East has been embroiled in fights for how long? China has risen as a threat, as it feels threatened; the USA has withdrawn from many positions, which increase instability as others fill the vacuum. The nuclear proliferation treaty, the ballistic missile treaty, as in tatters, so risk exists.

Fitness the toughest issue for many; mental adaptation of those who have never seen it rough the biggest challenge (imagining the entitled 20 something city child stamping their foot, wanting their latte).

We live longer due to good health care, society support, not being exposed to the elements... and pills, when that goes away?
Being mobile, and standing on someones toes as you pass through 'their' patch may become an issue.
Any breakdown, depending on the form, shouldn't be permanent, but my crystal ball remains fuzzy about time frames and probabilities; mostly planning resilience, backups of everything, and the capacity to repair and maintain, covers most scenario's imaginable - medical (disease), financial (depression), war, social breakdown. Community will be important in all these, either during and/or after, being connected with others is always important; some of us have to force ourselves to socialise because it is so important for mental health and balance.

Depending on pressures e.g. a thousand people wanting one wallaby or rabbit> little game left. Hunting and gathering may be an option for some; farming and animal husbandry a good choice. Working on a property for food an accommodation may make a comeback.

Keeping the old skills alive is a challenge (basic blacksmithing, shoeing a horse, even making a shoe if you have the steel), milking a cow, butchering a beast, salting meat, the wood stove, the tricks of the old garden where washing water, and washing up water, kept things going. You cycled through the bath water (cleanest to dirtiest), and then watered the garden with the water. there was a basin of water, some soap and a towel, for everyone to wash their hands with. Making a toilet, using sawdust after you went, and in an emergency using cut up pieces of newspaper for toilet paper (which hung on a nail in the outdoor toilet). Digging a hole for the 'nightsoil, with a bar and shovel, then cleaning the drum, and putting it back - how things have changed. Listening to a radio each night when the news was on (to preserve the batteries), playing cards for entertainment. A kero fridge, kero lantern, limited fuel. filtering engine oil through a rag, so the oil change in the 'good' vehicle gave you oil to put in the work vehicle (after it was filtered through rags).

Little fuel meant a once a week, to once a month trip to town... so that is a potential to return... I would suspect it would also mean trading and bartering would make a return. If riding a horse, no matter what the movies say, it is a long day or two riding, compared to a short drive, most of the time the horse is walking, a fast walking horse is valuable.

As I keep saying, community is important.

Take away the 'modern' and that's what you are back to. Hunting was more 'sport', entertainment, and something different to eat, plus keeping predators away from livestock. Gardening, livestock, that was how you survived. So a .22lr (.22m made an appearance later), a lever action rifle, a shotgun, they were the tools.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Grumpy » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:45 pm

notasyoung wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:26 pm
Grumpy wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:39 am
My basic firearms are
.22lr bolt
.223r bolt
.308w bolt
and 12g single shot

As I plan to be mobile and in company all will be with me and mine.
Grumpy, do you have multiples of firearms in these calibres amongst you? Similar firearms (reliability, parts)? Have you considered firearms security when not in possession (London to a brick there will STILL be someone trying to enforce rules). All the 'what if's'? reloading, competency, fitness, etc. Going on history being mobile is tough, everyone wants you to 'move along'.
Yes there are multiples, Security sorted,

Not planning to be mobile often but mobile enough that I can move away if an area gets too hot!



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