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What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Frostbite » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:58 pm

Ar10 and Ar15 brand new about $900 each wholesale. Retail about $1500. Being a soldier may not be your decision to make. Others, like marauding gangs, might make that decision for you. And a break contact drill usually requires more than a few shots, especially if you can't run.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Grumpy » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:41 pm

A lot depends on the situation!



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Disgruntled » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:54 am

notasyoung wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:19 pm
Keith wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:18 am
Disgruntled wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:29 am
Hi all, new to the forum, this convo caught my attention as i like guns lol.

My picks would be,
.22lr in a bolt action repeater (CZ) for reliability, ammo availability/ qty carraige, very effective tool within its range and easy to make a can for with common household items. Personally Id steer clear of lever action RF's in general as they are harder to maintain and some brands are prone to breaking down, the henry's in particular ive seen several break down as they use poor quality steel and alloy in the action- the Winchester 9422M in WMR hands down best ever lever action rimfire if your dead set on a lever RF.

.223 bolt action repeater- i like the HOWA, cheap, well made, reliable, simple bolt mechanism. Upgraded chassis stock will enhance accuracy and durabily with 10 shot AI mags. No need to worry about running 5.56 ammo as if things are that bad and youve found a pile of mil ammo youve probz got a steyr to run it through too. The .223 is an excellent hunting cartridge as well as personal defence, plus pleanty of ammo available unlike comparable .222 or smaller (but still good) .22HT

12Ga- just coz you cant be Mad Max without a sawn off haha.

But also 12ga is highly effective hunting tool provided you understand shotgunning in general, understand how chokes and shot size work, and the difference between a trap gun and a sporter. Also the Win PDX defender cartridges will drop any would be attacker with ease in close enviroments- think scavenging a store for supplies in post appocaliptic times.
I like the straight pull SHS in 20in as its compact, cat A and quicker than a pump overall.

9mm pistol in a Glock would be ideal, however much harder to get and requires a great deal of training to be useful, if you get a pistol of any sort consider participating in practical pistol discipline because if you need it for the end world scenario youd need to be able to draw and shoot fast ( look up 21 foot rule for LEO's )

Not a gun, but a 70lb compound bow can be very useful but requires lots of practice and skill, no license required, arrows can be recycled, capable of killing all game animals in australia if you can (and are game to) get close enough.

Tip for new players, thinking about armageddon the biggest point for me on firearms in any capacity is physical fitness and training, regardless of caliber or type, people often get hung up this vs that, but if you cannot hike with the firearm for many kms, or get your heart rate down through breathing techniques, or understand how your body behaves under stress, the gun is no good to you. How a tired and hungry body impacts the firearms employability in a high stress enviroment will astound.

Ps Muzzle loaders are for dinosaurs 😉😁
Compound bows are not sustainable in a long term wilderness survival situation, I recommend you use a traditional bow.
Keith.
Hello new to this. If you had to choose one or two, what would you take (e.g. walking, can't remain any more). It's a hypothetical which I hope never happens, but looking at weight, capability, ability to also carry some ammunition, reliability etc., as well as everything else you need to carry, what would you choose? If you had to move. Vehicle or fuel no longer available (say our sea routes were blocked - not as unrealistic as it seems, according to history).

Based on the circumstances outlined, being on foot and house on back kinda scenario, id take the .223 bolt action and a glock 17 in 9mm as a backup, with all things considered including ammo capacity and weight of rifle/ other equipment its still the best option as an all-rounder so to speak.

No point in having an AR or other mil type rifle, they are harder to attain in australia than a bolt action cat B, more prone to stoppages, require detailed maintainace, parts less available in straya, but the biggest issue is controlling ammo expenditure in a semi auto, much easier to be careless in pulling the trigger thus potentially wasting ammo.

Soldiering has its place and the need for security dose too, alot of the skills a soldier has are very useful and relevant, but alot is quite specific to combat and working in teams with other soldiers, Soldiering and surviving the end of times with whoever else happens to make it are very different things



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:44 pm

If things get that bad that I need break contact drills I DO hope I'm in close country, and with others who know how to do a tunnel of love! But given my age, I'll probably cark it!! With a 'getting to old for this crap', just wait for them to close in, and make it expensive for them.
I just have trouble imagining that scenario where I am, except in the case of invasion (which I do pray is a remote possibility, given how easy it is to buy Australia!).
I'm more the build resilience and redundancy, in a community environment.
A .223 bolt action is a reasonable choice, a Glock 9mm if you have it, again reasonable.
I'm more a .22lr or .22M, .410 (yes, I have .303 & .308, 12g etc). Find a .22lr or .22M adequate for my needs, generally, and love fiddling with the .410 to see what you can do with it, when loaded correctly.
Rimfires like the .22lr have outlived many centrefires that have come and gone, because of simplicity, economy, and ease of use; given the past dictates the future, I expect the humble .22lr to be around for quite a while yet.
My biggest concern is getting home, if I am away when something happens (I do travel long distances, half a tank of fuel won't cut it).
Financial worries, in a world of debt, are also a concern.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by dazza1967 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:52 pm

Thoughts on combination rifles??
I quite like the idea of a .223/12gauge combination.Should be able to take down anything in Aust from duck to buffalo.
Ya just wanna make the one shot is a winner.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Keith » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:08 am

dazza1967 wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:52 pm
Thoughts on combination rifles??
I quite like the idea of a .223/12gauge combination.Should be able to take down anything in Aust from duck to buffalo.
Ya just wanna make the one shot is a winner.
My main concern if I have to carry on foot is the weight of the gun & the weight of the ammo. Just how much modern ammo can one carry & how long will it last? My gun is a rifle & a shotgun all in one.
Keith.


Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference.
Robert Frost.
http://woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/
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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by dazza1967 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:46 am

Yeah i agree...prob not ideal for bugging out.Much better for bugging in,putting food on the table & home protection i would think.
I think a good scoped bolt action .22lr & the combination .223/12g gun has it covered.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Grumpy » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:39 am

My basic firearms are
.22lr bolt
.223r bolt
.308w bolt
and 12g single shot

As I plan to be mobile and in company all will be with me and mine.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Frostbite » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:59 pm

I don't plan on being mobile. I expect to be at my mountain retreat, with my little group of 9, growing food, raising livestock with a bit of hunting on the side. My longest trip might be the half hour drive into town (or ride, walk whatever depending on the circumstances), or the 50km trip to my gun dealer mate's property.

So I have a variety of firearms, and will choose the one best suited to the task at hand.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:11 pm

dazza1967 wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:46 am
Yeah i agree...prob not ideal for bugging out.Much better for bugging in,putting food on the table & home protection i would think.
I think a good scoped bolt action .22lr & the combination .223/12g gun has it covered.
Probably has got it covered. Depends where you live, what game is available, and the length of time.

Really doubt we would see a total breakdown, mad max type thing. But the people of Venezuela probably thought that a few years back, given they sit on top of the richest oil reserve in the world. Socialism gone made, along with corruption, destroyed their society.

Unlike some Americans I don't see the military as our enemy. They are just other Australians, serving in the defence force.

I see the Police are becoming incompetent, biased, and reliant on electronics, so the potential for breakdown from them is possible, but fortunately, again, not to the scale of things in USA.

So our needs for firearms in each of these scenarios remains for hunting, and for now for hunting and target shooting (including the .22 tin can hunt). Bugging in, for most of us, is the best idea. Especially for those not in an urban environment, or who have established a garden, water storage, etc.



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