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The Self Defence issue in Australia.

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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:58 am

Grumpy wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:15 pm
New guy here but an old guy in life. those who are raped/killed/robbed are those same that would not carry even if they could.
Carry laws will make very little difference in Australia. If one looks at the statistics nearly all are targeted as in relationships, illegal stuff like criminal disputes etc.
A regular law abiding person is 100 times more likely to die in a vehicle accident than from criminal action.

Compulsory helmets and six point harness's are far more important than any carry laws here in Australia. Those who keep pushing for carry laws in Aus must have some deep seated fears and paranoia and should consider councilling.
Being new here this is not aimed at anyone here but are my observations over time. To an intelligent person a firearm is just another tool to use when needed, to the retard a firearm is the solution to all things and the go to tool for everything.

I like Australia's gun laws just fine as they are, we are not the US of A, True that semi autos were great fun
Well fortunately no one here, including me, are pushing for carry laws nor is this post on this board anything to do with carrying a sidearm, otherwise from this post I probably would have taken your comment personally.
Keith.
I stopped recording these assaults some time ago, because I realised that the majority of Australians did not give a damn anyway. None of these are "illegal stuff like criminal disputes etc" as you state in your post above. The list is much longer, but it will not all fit in this post. However, it does show that the self defence laws need changing.

Home Invasions, Murder & Assaults 2018.
MAY 31 2018 - 2:47PM
Teens arrested over Tahmoor home invasion.
https://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/sto ... -invasion/

Teen arrested over two 'frightening' attacks on women in Sydney's west
11 May 2018 — 4:58pm
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/pol ... 4zetf.html
A man allegedly throws rocks at police in Darlington after attempted break-in
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/law- ... 33ae1531e1
WA Police hunt for man in relation to sexual assault
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/ ... b88834029z
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 4zeuv.html


Judge cries in court while sentencing woman who killed abusive partner
https://au.news.yahoo.com/judge-cries-c ... 44779.html
CCTV of missing 12-year-old moments before he was pulled into car
https://au.news.yahoo.com/cctv-missing- ... 46420.html
Another home invasion!
Man on the run after assaulting 12-year-old girl
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-run-assau ... 11020.html
Another home invasion! Eight-year-old girl 'assaulted after man climbs into bedroom window'
https://au.news.yahoo.com/eight-year-ol ... 58359.html
Home Invasions. New Victoria police taskforce targeting wayward teens in home invasion crackdown
http://www.news.com.au/national/victori ... c46c5f18fa
Masked men threaten family with machetes and tomahawk in home invasion
https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/ ... on-the-run
Home Invasion. Man charged over death of young mum found next to baby
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-charged-d ... 19974.html
Police release CCTV of Elizabeth South home invasion in which a bullet was fired into a bedroom
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/law- ... 8be5a4536f
TERRIFYING CAIRNLEA HOME INVASION STILL UNSOLVED
THE VICTIM of a terrifying home invasion has recalled the moment three thugs stormed her home and held a doona over her head.It comes as police make a fresh appeal for public assistance following the aggravated burglary and false imprisonment in Cairnlea in
https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites/her ... =anonymous
Nine charged with murder over stabbing death of woman
https://au.news.yahoo.com/nine-charged- ... 54438.html
'I was screaming blood-curdling screams': Brave woman speaks of shock sex attack
https://au.news.yahoo.com/screaming-blo ... 25357.html
Lake Macquarie Police District officers charge man, 44, over alleged axe attack of man, 73, in Rathmines this morning
https://www.lakesmail.com.au/story/5410 ... rathmines/
Man threatened with gun and knife during Hornsby home invasion
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newsl ... 387a08f02d
Armed Home Invasion. A TEENAGE boy has been charged with armed robbery after an alleged break-in at an Armidale NSW house.
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/ ... n-charges/
Man kicked in head in Sydney home invasion
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-kicked-he ... --spt.html
NSW meat cleaver home invasion injures two
20th of May 2018
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/n ... jures-two/
Woman repeatedly sexually assaulted on train 22 May 2018
https://au.news.yahoo.com/man-sought-wo ... 16539.html
Home Invasion. Oxley police investigate firearm theft in Narrabri. MAY 22 2018
https://www.moreechampion.com.au/story/ ... for-thief/
Murderer on bail for violent home invasion
22nd May 2018
https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/n ... n/3421273/
Investigation underway following home invasion in Colyton
Monday 21 May 2018
https://www.miragenews.com/investigatio ... n-colyton/
MAY 24 2018 - 12:23PM
Man charged after home invasion
https://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story ... n/?cs=5835
Elderly man in intensive care after invasion at Gosnells property
May 23rd 2018.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/crime/ ... b88845093z
DUO JAILED FOR RAPING ‘OUT OF IT’ STUDENT
25th May 2018.
https://myaccount.news.com.au/sites/cou ... =anonymous
12:30PM: Police have arrested a man in relation to a number of alleged assaults in Kennington on Friday and Saturday. 26th May 2018.
https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/st ... tercation/
Man arrested at Prospect service station over home invasion involving meat cleaver
May 25, 2018 7:49pm
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/law- ... 9e61e123d6


Common assaults are up by 28 per cent, sex offences by 33 per cent while home invasions have soared by 43 per cent. That means a home invasion occurs every two hours, 28 minutes and 37 seconds.
24th Nov 2018.


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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by notasyoung » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:20 pm

KI_Lisa wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:55 am
Keith wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia. There are many women, raped and/or murdered, who would have been liable to prosecution had they been carrying anything that might have saved them.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 396c9b2f8d



I am curious to know why I hear so little on this subject from preppers & survivalists. So I would like to hear from members what their thoughts are on this subject of self defence in Australia. Do you agree that we don't have the right to purchase, carry or use anything that is specifically meant for self defence, & if so why? Or do you think that this law is unjust, putting citizens & their families at risk?

http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... urely.html
http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... bject.html
Keith.
Hi Keith, I don't feel defenceless, but how could I, I own firearms. I am rural, and everyone I know owns guns. Most grew up with them, understand and respect them. Just like other highly dangerous tools, chainsaws and the like, the operator must be sober. I trust country folk with guns.
But in general terms, I don't trust city folk with guns. The idea of giving young women, possibly out drinking, guns to put in their handbags, fills me with dread. I mean what could possibly go wrong. Dozens of things. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, from maitenence to range practice. Better to send them all off to learn karate I did so as a young lady, have me the skills and confidence to face anyone. 9 timesout of 10 if you show the opposite of fear you can not be a victim. A rapey creep would need a gun to jump me!
That is my 2 cents worth
Cheers
Tend to agree on different levels with both, but far more so with Lisa; having some young drunk/drugged female waving a pistol around at a nightclub is a higher probability than them using a weapon to prevent a rape. Having her purse stolen whilst up dancing etc the risk.
They have already been drugged, physically overpowered, prior to rape. The chances of getting to a gun> not high. I trust sober country people with guns (mostly), but also have dogs who are great doorbells, when I'm home, and are protective. I have cars which only unlock the drivers door when you hit the switch Not automatically unlock all. I have neighbours with dogs, and guns.
Being prudent about what you do, and where, is a big thing. Knowing the combination on the gun safe is handy. I have lived in both city (Brisbane, Gold Coast) and country, with a family> best insurance has always been two solid, family orientated, rottweilers... of course, years ago, a pump action 12g also made the wife comfortable. Sigh... that's gone.



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Grumpy » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:30 pm

Very little would have changes in the cases you listed, the outcomes would have been the same

The guy shot dead in his garage would have still been shot dead even if he was carrying, garage door was open and he was busy loading stuff in his car, having a gun would not have changed the outcome! having the garage door closed would have yet he failed to even do that!!

Woman assaulted, she was grabbed from behind. She was not aware of her surroundings, a weapon in her handbag would have been useless!

Sex attacker might have made a difference!

Two 12 year olds no weapons for them ay underage!
Same with 8yo !

Most home invasions are directed at small time dealers with cash on hand or for car keys so you want to arm drug dealers and the car key victims would have any weapons stored safely away making them useless.

Need I go on?

There would be a few who could benefit from a change in laws but they have things sorted already.


"Common assaults are up by 28 per cent, sex offences by 33 per cent while home invasions have soared by 43 per cent. That means a home invasion occurs every two hours, 28 minutes and 37 seconds.
24th Nov 2018."

And you think adding thousands of weapons to that mix will make things better?
USA statistics shows the truth and it aint good!



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:55 am

notasyoung wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:20 pm
KI_Lisa wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:55 am
Keith wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia. There are many women, raped and/or murdered, who would have been liable to prosecution had they been carrying anything that might have saved them.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 396c9b2f8d



I am curious to know why I hear so little on this subject from preppers & survivalists. So I would like to hear from members what their thoughts are on this subject of self defence in Australia. Do you agree that we don't have the right to purchase, carry or use anything that is specifically meant for self defence, & if so why? Or do you think that this law is unjust, putting citizens & their families at risk?

http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... urely.html
http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... bject.html
Keith.
Hi Keith, I don't feel defenceless, but how could I, I own firearms. I am rural, and everyone I know owns guns. Most grew up with them, understand and respect them. Just like other highly dangerous tools, chainsaws and the like, the operator must be sober. I trust country folk with guns.
But in general terms, I don't trust city folk with guns. The idea of giving young women, possibly out drinking, guns to put in their handbags, fills me with dread. I mean what could possibly go wrong. Dozens of things. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, from maitenence to range practice. Better to send them all off to learn karate I did so as a young lady, have me the skills and confidence to face anyone. 9 timesout of 10 if you show the opposite of fear you can not be a victim. A rapey creep would need a gun to jump me!
That is my 2 cents worth
Cheers
Tend to agree on different levels with both, but far more so with Lisa; having some young drunk/drugged female waving a pistol around at a nightclub is a higher probability than them using a weapon to prevent a rape. Having her purse stolen whilst up dancing etc the risk.
They have already been drugged, physically overpowered, prior to rape. The chances of getting to a gun> not high. I trust sober country people with guns (mostly), but also have dogs who are great doorbells, when I'm home, and are protective. I have cars which only unlock the drivers door when you hit the switch Not automatically unlock all. I have neighbours with dogs, and guns.
Being prudent about what you do, and where, is a big thing. Knowing the combination on the gun safe is handy. I have lived in both city (Brisbane, Gold Coast) and country, with a family> best insurance has always been two solid, family orientated, rottweilers... of course, years ago, a pump action 12g also made the wife comfortable. Sigh... that's gone.
I totally agree carrying gun in public places is an accident waiting to happen unless the person have been vetted well & not seen as a risk. But I fail to see why pepper spray can't be allowed, or even a taser.
Keith.


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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by notasyoung » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:22 pm

Keith wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:55 am
notasyoung wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:20 pm
KI_Lisa wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:55 am


Hi Keith, I don't feel defenceless, but how could I, I own firearms. I am rural, and everyone I know owns guns. Most grew up with them, understand and respect them. Just like other highly dangerous tools, chainsaws and the like, the operator must be sober. I trust country folk with guns.
But in general terms, I don't trust city folk with guns. The idea of giving young women, possibly out drinking, guns to put in their handbags, fills me with dread. I mean what could possibly go wrong. Dozens of things. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, from maitenence to range practice. Better to send them all off to learn karate I did so as a young lady, have me the skills and confidence to face anyone. 9 timesout of 10 if you show the opposite of fear you can not be a victim. A rapey creep would need a gun to jump me!
That is my 2 cents worth
Cheers
Tend to agree on different levels with both, but far more so with Lisa; having some young drunk/drugged female waving a pistol around at a nightclub is a higher probability than them using a weapon to prevent a rape. Having her purse stolen whilst up dancing etc the risk.
They have already been drugged, physically overpowered, prior to rape. The chances of getting to a gun> not high. I trust sober country people with guns (mostly), but also have dogs who are great doorbells, when I'm home, and are protective. I have cars which only unlock the drivers door when you hit the switch Not automatically unlock all. I have neighbours with dogs, and guns.
Being prudent about what you do, and where, is a big thing. Knowing the combination on the gun safe is handy. I have lived in both city (Brisbane, Gold Coast) and country, with a family> best insurance has always been two solid, family orientated, rottweilers... of course, years ago, a pump action 12g also made the wife comfortable. Sigh... that's gone.
I totally agree carrying gun in public places is an accident waiting to happen unless the person have been vetted well & not seen as a risk. But I fail to see why pepper spray can't be allowed, or even a taser.
Keith.
The pepper spray and taser are less than lethal options, although there are questions about tasers, and there have been bad outcomes on the drug affected, and those with heart conditions. So it ranks above pepper spray on the risk scale. For some people, some roles, it makes sense (the female shift worker, nurse, nighttime etc). Taking it with you to a nightclub, which seems to be the current idea, just seems dumb... the chances of misuse, or stupidity involving alcohol would be high. For an asthmatic, someone prone to panic attacks, or something, it can have serious risks. As with most things there are arguments for and against. I mean once upon a time postmasters and bank tellers had a pistol in the drawer!



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:30 am

notasyoung wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:22 pm
Keith wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:55 am
notasyoung wrote:
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Tend to agree on different levels with both, but far more so with Lisa; having some young drunk/drugged female waving a pistol around at a nightclub is a higher probability than them using a weapon to prevent a rape. Having her purse stolen whilst up dancing etc the risk.
They have already been drugged, physically overpowered, prior to rape. The chances of getting to a gun> not high. I trust sober country people with guns (mostly), but also have dogs who are great doorbells, when I'm home, and are protective. I have cars which only unlock the drivers door when you hit the switch Not automatically unlock all. I have neighbours with dogs, and guns.
Being prudent about what you do, and where, is a big thing. Knowing the combination on the gun safe is handy. I have lived in both city (Brisbane, Gold Coast) and country, with a family> best insurance has always been two solid, family orientated, rottweilers... of course, years ago, a pump action 12g also made the wife comfortable. Sigh... that's gone.
I totally agree carrying gun in public places is an accident waiting to happen unless the person have been vetted well & not seen as a risk. But I fail to see why pepper spray can't be allowed, or even a taser.
Keith.
The pepper spray and taser are less than lethal options, although there are questions about tasers, and there have been bad outcomes on the drug affected, and those with heart conditions. So it ranks above pepper spray on the risk scale. For some people, some roles, it makes sense (the female shift worker, nurse, nighttime etc). Taking it with you to a nightclub, which seems to be the current idea, just seems dumb... the chances of misuse, or stupidity involving alcohol would be high. For an asthmatic, someone prone to panic attacks, or something, it can have serious risks. As with most things there are arguments for and against. I mean once upon a time postmasters and bank tellers had a pistol in the drawer!
One can't legislate against stupidity, unless that is what out government is actually doing now! Meanwhile people are getting raped, hospitalised & killed. If my wife is being attacked by a druggy, frankly I don't care if he dies from being tasered.
Keith.


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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by mozart » Tue May 28, 2019 7:42 pm

Really annoying what are you supposed to do if its illegal to carry a weapon. I always carry my keys in my pocket as self defence. You mean to tell me that I cant even use them to defend myself.



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Wed May 29, 2019 6:25 am

mozart wrote:
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Really annoying what are you supposed to do if its illegal to carry a weapon. I always carry my keys in my pocket as self defence. You mean to tell me that I cant even use them to defend myself.
You can use your keys as a weapon mozart providing you are not carrying them specifically for self defence purposes. The same could be said for a walking stick if one had an excuse, like a dicky knee. You can grab a knife from the kitchen in a home invasion if you have time, but you are not allowed to have a knife handy specifically for self defence.
The thing is you shouldn't have to try & fight someone off with your bunch or keys, or get into a knife fight with someone carrying a machete. We should at least be able to carry pepper spray.
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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by robmajor7 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:50 pm

A month or so ago there was an armed home invasion in Perth where one of the perpetrators was stabbed and killed and the other one, although he managed to escape, was caught one or 2 days later. No one was charged with killing the intruder, however, there is more to the story that meets the eye, as the story was swiftly forgotten. Most of these invasions are drug related and we all know that most of our people in blue are involved, hence some sort of coverup...But I digress....As it was mentioned in previous posts, It's all well knowing martial arts and such, but I'd like to see someone coming at you with a knife...All your martial arts will come to grief, guaranteed.
If you don;t believe me, think about this: Why do cops shoot you if you go at them armed with a knife? 'Cos they know that by the time they see the threat, the guy with the knife is usually at arm's length...
That we need the stupid draconian law changed is no rocket science...It has to change full-stop, and political parties/us need to sign petitions and pester the useless politicians (who have armed body guards) until the situation is rectified.
I am not advocating a US type of gun laws, even though we could do with a 2nd amendment for self defense.



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Thu May 30, 2019 7:00 am

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Wed May 29, 2019 5:50 pm
A month or so ago there was an armed home invasion in Perth where one of the perpetrators was stabbed and killed and the other one, although he managed to escape, was caught one or 2 days later. No one was charged with killing the intruder, however, there is more to the story that meets the eye, as the story was swiftly forgotten. Most of these invasions are drug related and we all know that most of our people in blue are involved, hence some sort of coverup...But I digress....As it was mentioned in previous posts, It's all well knowing martial arts and such, but I'd like to see someone coming at you with a knife...All your martial arts will come to grief, guaranteed.
If you don;t believe me, think about this: Why do cops shoot you if you go at them armed with a knife? 'Cos they know that by the time they see the threat, the guy with the knife is usually at arm's length...
That we need the stupid draconian law changed is no rocket science...It has to change full-stop, and political parties/us need to sign petitions and pester the useless politicians (who have armed body guards) until the situation is rectified.
I am not advocating a US type of gun laws, even though we could do with a 2nd amendment for self defense.
Agreed rob. If you have to deal with a knife, you are going to get cut. We were trained to shoot for center body mass. The police are allowed to draw their side arms at any time in preparation, security are nor allowed to draw their side arm until a definite threat is posed. A man or woman with a knife or an axe can cover ground amazingly fast when the Adrenalin is up. Older victims stand less chance of defending themselves, so martial arts is out of the question. Grabbing a knife from the kitchen & getting into a knife fight is not a good idea, but this is basically what the government here expect you to do.
The old argument about you can't make pepper spray legal because criminals will use it does not in my opinion hold water. I would rather be pepper sprayed than knifed, criminals can use anything from base ball bats to guns, & our only option is a knife from the kitchen or being a criminal ourselves & keeping something handy for defence.
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My petition will fail, because most people think that the government should protect them & they do not want armed citizens, not even armed with pepper spray. Just the other day another young lady was assaulted & killed, & this will never stop unless we have the means by which to protect ourselves.
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