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The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:52 pm

Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia. There are many women, raped and/or murdered, who would have been liable to prosecution had they been carrying anything that might have saved them.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 396c9b2f8d



I am curious to know why I hear so little on this subject from preppers & survivalists. In fact I don't understand why more people in general are not speaking out about our government making us defenceless. Another young lady recently got raped & murdered, no doubt you have all read about it. Another home invasion too. The next time it could be one of us, or our family. So I would like to hear from members what their thoughts are on this subject of self defence in Australia. Do you agree that we don't have the right to purchase, carry or use anything that is specifically meant for self defence, & if so why? Or do you think that this law is unjust, putting citizens & their families at risk?

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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Steelsopr » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:26 pm

The situation is a bit strange here in Australia on self defense, do you know of a political party or candidate that has plans to do something about it?



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:51 am

Steelsopr wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:26 pm
The situation is a bit strange here in Australia on self defense, do you know of a political party or candidate that has plans to do something about it?
No Steel I do not.
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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by KI_Lisa » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:55 am

Keith wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia. There are many women, raped and/or murdered, who would have been liable to prosecution had they been carrying anything that might have saved them.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 396c9b2f8d



I am curious to know why I hear so little on this subject from preppers & survivalists. So I would like to hear from members what their thoughts are on this subject of self defence in Australia. Do you agree that we don't have the right to purchase, carry or use anything that is specifically meant for self defence, & if so why? Or do you think that this law is unjust, putting citizens & their families at risk?

http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... urely.html
http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... bject.html
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Hi Keith, I don't feel defenceless, but how could I, I own firearms. I am rural, and everyone I know owns guns. Most grew up with them, understand and respect them. Just like other highly dangerous tools, chainsaws and the like, the operator must be sober. I trust country folk with guns.
But in general terms, I don't trust city folk with guns. The idea of giving young women, possibly out drinking, guns to put in their handbags, fills me with dread. I mean what could possibly go wrong. Dozens of things. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, from maitenence to range practice. Better to send them all off to learn karate I did so as a young lady, have me the skills and confidence to face anyone. 9 timesout of 10 if you show the opposite of fear you can not be a victim. A rapey creep would need a gun to jump me!
That is my 2 cents worth
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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 am

KI_Lisa wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:55 am
Keith wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:52 pm
Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia. There are many women, raped and/or murdered, who would have been liable to prosecution had they been carrying anything that might have saved them.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/ ... 396c9b2f8d



I am curious to know why I hear so little on this subject from preppers & survivalists. So I would like to hear from members what their thoughts are on this subject of self defence in Australia. Do you agree that we don't have the right to purchase, carry or use anything that is specifically meant for self defence, & if so why? Or do you think that this law is unjust, putting citizens & their families at risk?

http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... urely.html
http://australiansurvivalandpreppers.bl ... bject.html
Keith.
Hi Keith, I don't feel defenceless, but how could I, I own firearms. I am rural, and everyone I know owns guns. Most grew up with them, understand and respect them. Just like other highly dangerous tools, chainsaws and the like, the operator must be sober. I trust country folk with guns.
But in general terms, I don't trust city folk with guns. The idea of giving young women, possibly out drinking, guns to put in their handbags, fills me with dread. I mean what could possibly go wrong. Dozens of things. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility, from maitenence to range practice. Better to send them all off to learn karate I did so as a young lady, have me the skills and confidence to face anyone. 9 timesout of 10 if you show the opposite of fear you can not be a victim. A rapey creep would need a gun to jump me!
That is my 2 cents worth
Cheers
I feel you may have missed the point in my post mate. 1) People are not legally allowed to carry ANYTHING for the purpose of self defence or defence of their family. No pepper spray, no taser, no anything. I was not proposing everyone should be able to carry or use a gun. 2) You are not legally allowed to use your gun(s) to defend yourself or your family. In a home invasion you are defenceless against a perpetrator armed with a gun.
Possessing any object specifically for the purpose of self-defence, lethal or non-lethal, is a criminal offence in Australia.
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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Kit » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:32 am

I know I would feel better if pepper spray was allowed to be carried/used. It’s non-leathal and if you use it on someone they’re going to make a fair bit of noise gasping and gagging from it. To me that means it’s not going to be something an attacker would use as it would draw attention. Only a potential victim would use it because they want attention drawn so they can be aided by whoever reacts to the commotion.



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:44 am

Kit wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:32 am
I know I would feel better if pepper spray was allowed to be carried/used. It’s non-leathal and if you use it on someone they’re going to make a fair bit of noise gasping and gagging from it. To me that means it’s not going to be something an attacker would use as it would draw attention. Only a potential victim would use it because they want attention drawn so they can be aided by whoever reacts to the commotion.
The fact is that criminals already have access to the items we are banned from using. The old argument is that an attacker may take the item you are carrying & use it against you. But if this attacker intends to rape & or murder, what difference does that make???!!! What we need is an equalizer, something that will give us some chance of survival. Right now the government has made us defenceless & is protecting the criminal. That for me is very worrying!!!
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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Paul » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:00 pm

I am a martial artist and although I believe the effectiveness only by needing to use such skills on numerous occasions whether that be self defense, citizens arrests or protection of others the law states this skill alone is not allowed to be used , let alone using a hand held weapon. Which under normal circumstances is not acceptable to me anyway. But although you never admit to the knowledge or use of such skills ,this is my best friend that has also deterred alot of situations. Normal day to day this is adequate, shtf scenario a couple of toys dos'nt hurt.



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Oz judge » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:18 pm

Look it's really easy to me. Fighting & warfare is just about who has the best imagination & who's prepared to go that next step farther than the next guy. To most I'd most probably be a syco gun nut that loves war & violence. It's kinda true but not really! To me I live in a syco violent world & I don't want bad shit to happen to me or my loved ones. I think of my self as a jack in the box . I take oxygen thieves by surprise, I'm not crazy I'm just half prepared & the sheeple a just pussies. As for the question look I'm prepared to do time if some oxygen thief try's to steal oxygen in my presence.



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Re: The Self Defence issue in Australia.

Post by Keith » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:41 pm

Oz judge wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:18 pm
Look it's really easy to me. Fighting & warfare is just about who has the best imagination & who's prepared to go that next step farther than the next guy. To most I'd most probably be a syco gun nut that loves war & violence. It's kinda true but not really! To me I live in a syco violent world & I don't want bad shit to happen to me or my loved ones. I think of my self as a jack in the box . I take oxygen thieves by surprise, I'm not crazy I'm just half prepared & the sheeple a just pussies. As for the question look I'm prepared to do time if some oxygen thief try's to steal oxygen in my presence.
So you don't have an issue with the Australian government's anti-self defence laws?
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