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What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by John » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:30 pm

Good topic for the people out wanting to know.
With little or no experience I’d recommend 3 to cover your self
First thing first firearm safety if you are interested in this area the most important thing is safety and if you have little to know experience I would encourage anybody to seek help from your local rifle club

1st .22Lr or .22 magnum they are great for small game and very accurate with little recoil that makes them great for the beginner. The .22 and the .22mag are very common An can be found cheap ammunition comes in bricks of 500 an due to size takes up very little room

2nd something with a little more hitting power recommend.223 very accurate minimal recoil and can be mastered with some practice the rifle and amino cost a lot more than .22 and would consider learning how to reload all so the .223 are very common round in both civilian and military making carriages very common

3rd the go to gun a shotgun 12g is probably the most common and very effective at close range with many different shells for different situations the 12g does come with a bit of recoil and some practice on a regular basis to master

Once mastered there’s theres a hole world of firearms big small to choose from the above is my pick for the beginner



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Frostbite » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:35 pm

I'll throw in my 3 cents worth, but first some background. I've been shooting for nearly 50 years, everything from your humble air rifle through to the 50 BMG. Bolt, lever, pump, semi and full auto. I currently own over a dozen firearms including 4 semi auto handguns. I've even had a go on a grenade launcher, albeit without live ammunition. And yes Keith, I think shooting BP is almost as much fun as full auto.

There's been no explanation of the 'Aussie scenario' mentioned in the title of this topic, so I'll just address what are my choices should society collapse, permanantly or temporarily.

1: 9mm semi auto pistol. Compact, lightweight, easy to conceal, high magazine capacity (especially in those states that allow up to 33rd mags). Deadly on the most common threat you might face. But you need to practice, as much as possible. The great thing about a pistol is when you need it most it will probably be at hand, not like the longarm you left back at the house, campsite, vehicle, whatever, because you got tired of carrying the thing. They are accurate, 25m chest shots should be achievable under some duress (the sort you get in the standard pistol matches).

2: 22lr rifle, whatever action you fancy, but bolt action probably the least likely to fail. You can (or I have) taken rabbits and goats with the humble .22. Head shots help. Cheap ammo, great to practice your technique, very quiet with subsonic ammo, and you can carry a heap of ammo.

3: .223 rifle. I prefer the remington 7615. My son and a few of my friends use this rifle, it is accurate (head shots on roos no problem), quick to reload, high magazine capacity (up to 30 depending on which state you live), and the 7615 is suitable for 5.56 ammunition. Those people who suggest .223 because the military use it mustn't realise the ADF have NEVER used .223. There is a difference, it might be minute, but it might be enough to blow your face off.

4: .308 bolt action rifle. The 308 can deal with almost anything you are likely to come across in this country. You can use light projectiles (130gr) for smaller game or much heavier projectiles for larger game (although the twist rate of yiur barrel may influence accuracy on the heavier projectiles).

That's my 3 cents worth.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by John » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:54 pm

Great point I didn’t cover correctly with 5.56/.223
Thanks for picking up on that I should of explained in more detail



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:30 pm

You left out an oldie but a goodie... the .22 hornet. For most shooters it is as accurate as they are, within 200m. It is light, virtually no recoil, uses a little pill, and stuff all powder. It's about the same step up from a .22M, as the .22WMR is from the .22lr. Used to be the smallest centrefire. Good for animals up to roo's if required.

Because of little perceived recoil it is good for the occasional shooter. The barrel will last most people a life time. The cases are a bit sensitive in the neck when reloading (use a boat tail projectile), and if reloading in the same rifle usually don't need a full length resize.

They were THE long range bunny buster, and roo getting rifle, before the advent of hooter loads like the .22-250, and newer loads like the 17HMR. Their advantage over a .22lr and .22WMR is that the fired round can be reloaded, it gives you a flat shooting rifle out to around 200m, and it consumes stuff all powder. Because it is an old round you can use cast projectiles if you'd like, and still have a good performer.

The list above left out a shotgun (long ago we used to eat duck, and rabbit, taken with a shotgun, before the Government and Greenies intervened).

A pistol is problematic, given our licensing system, although I agree a 9mm self loader (I prefer the Glock 17L for accuracy, and I know they will withstand punishment with 9mm +p ammunition), or a .357M (loaded with .38Special +p+ hollow point, or serrated hollow point) is a good choice.

The trouble I have, with having a long list of firearms, is transport, if you are not already located in Country Australia. It is extremely unlikely that society will breakdown to the point of a 'mad max' scenario, therefore the laws will be applied, and it will put you in a bad position, given the untethered powers of search and seizure, without warrant, the Police have been granted, if you have such firearms unsecured.

And some background, I have lived with, worked, instructed people on, and carried, firearms most of my life, I have fired everything from sub-machine guns to machine guns (belt fed, mag fed, light & medium), to assault rifles and CARs (5.56 and 7.62 plus variations), shotguns, precision instruments (rifles), mortars, 40mm grenade launchers, Carl Gustaffs and SRAWs (66mm light anti-tank), as well as revolvers and self loading pistols. I have lived the curse 'may you have an interesting life'! I have no desire to see it become more interesting, though I do fear the incompetence of politicians, and the rise of the 'metoo' 'green' 'social media warrior' and socialist generation, who actually believe communism and totalitarian society is a good thing?!



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:32 pm

John, my apologies. read through a few, you did have a shotgun at number 3.
Frostbite, you need a shotgun, even a little .410 with number 9 shot, for wriggler attack.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Frostbite » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:53 pm

I deliberately didn't include a shotgun. I own a 12g coach gun, it is what I usually carry when walking my retreat, but the ammo is bulky and in my opinion a shotgun is too limited in scope. Great for birds and snakes though.



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by notasyoung » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:53 am

Frostbite, no worries.

As noted, I like the .410, for close range stuff.

I am currently debating the purchase of something like a .22lr Lithgow Model 12, which is the bolt action repeater from the 1950's, or even another Lithgow 1B. They were made as a takedown, because back then it was easier to carry, and they were designed as bunny busters, built out of steel and timber left over from WWII. Another rifle that will last a lifetime, because of the quality of the barrel steel (.303 rifle barrel steel). I am considering getting one, and changing the sites over to better open sites, then grooving it for a scope as well.

1. They are reasonably cheap.
2. They are designed to be taken down (as all the old ones were, with a coin slot in the single knurled 'nut' holding them together).
3. They are reliable (as with all rim fires, NEVER dry fire - firing pin may be damaged).
4. They give reasonable accuracy.
5. They are an Australian product.

I don't the money for a new Lithgow rifle (but wish I did), which will last generations (I prefer the wood stock). I already have one of the 1B's still in original good condition, which has been in the family since new. I won't disturb that one.

The BSA sportsman 5 is a British .22lr from around that time, which also still performs well enough for a walk around gun, and again, can be broken down. If you look around there are still many of the early .22lr's available, reasonably priced. They were virtually all 'take down' rifles, before it became a 'new' trend. Some cost less than the Permit to Acquire, and are good shooters!

If you want something that is quiet, and accurate, with .22lr subsonics, try the TOZ heavy barrel single shot, with a scope, which is cheap. not a real walk around gun, but good for training (as are the Lithgow single shots).



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Al71 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:47 am

Great reading and very informative, for my thinking, and I stress this is my opinion and mine alone, my situation and what I believe. Firstly let’s look at the situation, in a localised event such as bushfire and cyclone where we have been ordered to evacuate, usually these Events would not last for more than a week I would throw in my single shot break action .410, great gun folds in on itself so can be chucked under the drivers seat, in this scenario I would have our food and water etc on me so the weapon would not be needed for food procurement but only for scaring off would be looters at the evac location, in this case authorities would still be on duty and and some form of organisation would be in place so the .410 more than likely would not ever be needed, but it’s there just in case.
In an event that required me to bunker down in place say a pandemic or financial collapse well then it doesn’t matter I will use all the arsenal to defend family and property
In an event that I had to leave for an extended period of time and even had to leave permanently be it full societal breakdown my choice would be my ruger gunsite scout chambered in NATO.556, and yes the chamber is slightly different to .223 Remington, the .556 can fire both ammo .556 and .223 all day but the Remington .223 can only fire 223 rounds, they can fire .556 but this is not recommended cause the .556 rounds do produce a little more punch so a .223 chamber could fail and that won’t be good, lol, so the military weapon use the 556 nato so in this scenario there is probably military running around trying to keep order, so I can get ammo off the soldiers and also nearly every rural property would have .223 ammo so I have doubled my scavenging options, great hunting rifle, reliable and will drop nearly anything but yes it is loud, my second weapon would be my moss berg break action over and under 12 guage, reliable and easy to clean, ammo could be sourced from most rural properties, some birdshot round for food, watch your teeth lol, 00 buckshot for larger.
Anyway thanks for reading



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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Keith » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:53 pm

Al71 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:47 am
Great reading and very informative, for my thinking, and I stress this is my opinion and mine alone, my situation and what I believe. Firstly let’s look at the situation, in a localised event such as bushfire and cyclone where we have been ordered to evacuate, usually these Events would not last for more than a week I would throw in my single shot break action .410, great gun folds in on itself so can be chucked under the drivers seat, in this scenario I would have our food and water etc on me so the weapon would not be needed for food procurement but only for scaring off would be looters at the evac location, in this case authorities would still be on duty and and some form of organisation would be in place so the .410 more than likely would not ever be needed, but it’s there just in case.
In an event that required me to bunker down in place say a pandemic or financial collapse well then it doesn’t matter I will use all the arsenal to defend family and property
In an event that I had to leave for an extended period of time and even had to leave permanently be it full societal breakdown my choice would be my ruger gunsite scout chambered in NATO.556, and yes the chamber is slightly different to .223 Remington, the .556 can fire both ammo .556 and .223 all day but the Remington .223 can only fire 223 rounds, they can fire .556 but this is not recommended cause the .556 rounds do produce a little more punch so a .223 chamber could fail and that won’t be good, lol, so the military weapon use the 556 nato so in this scenario there is probably military running around trying to keep order, so I can get ammo off the soldiers and also nearly every rural property would have .223 ammo so I have doubled my scavenging options, great hunting rifle, reliable and will drop nearly anything but yes it is loud, my second weapon would be my moss berg break action over and under 12 guage, reliable and easy to clean, ammo could be sourced from most rural properties, some birdshot round for food, watch your teeth lol, 00 buckshot for larger.
Anyway thanks for reading
Good post, but I am curious in regards to how you are going to procure ammo from other people on rural properties & the military. Do you know something I don't, because frankly I can't see either of these sources giving away or selling or trading ammo.
Keith.


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Re: What firearms would best suit our Aussie scenario?

Post by Al71 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:28 pm

Trade labour ,work skills ,buy, was more hoping for abandoned properties though lol, for me to leave home it has to be an end of world scenario though, pandemic, foreign invasion, rapture, cause I know I would be left here in the rapture lol



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